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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Nov 28, 2007 4:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

I was looking over a menu in a Santa Cruz restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye. The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you.
What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian assholes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season . Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your shit has been RUINED?
That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.
To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bullshit anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest? You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent? I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don't kill intentionally either, right? There's no way out of this one. The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet.

Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.
A number of people have pointed out that the amount of grain grown to feed animals for slaughter every year is greater than the amount of grain grown for humans. So I guess the amount of grain grown for human consumption suddenly becomes negligible and we can conveniently ignore the fact that animals are still ruthlessly murdered either way because of your diet, right? Not to mention that the majority of grain grown for livestock is tough as rocks, coarse, and so low-grade that it's only fit for animal consumption in the first place. Spare me the "you could feed 500 people with the grain used to feed one cow" line of shit; it's not the same grain. Then there are the people who jump on the bandwagon with "you could plant billions of potatoes on the land used for cows"--good point, except for the fact that not every plot of land is equally fertile; you think farmers always have a choice on what they do with their land? Also, many vegetarians don't know (or care to acknowledge) that in many parts of the United States they have "control hunts" in which hunting permits are passed out whenever there is a pest problem (the pest here is deer, elk and antelope) that threatens wheat, soy, vegetable and other crops; this happens several times per year. Then some of you throw out claims that "we are trying to limit the suffering." How about you limit MY suffering and shut the hell up about your stupid diet for a change; nobody cares. Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn't in the millions, even if it's just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn't worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers....................

want sources?my e-mail is tito33_2001@yahoo.com



This post was modified by Tito&Smokey on 2007-11-28 12:47:30

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Nov 27, 2007 3:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

GET THE LEAD OUT, TITO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgcdFVzbT9s

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Nov 28, 2007 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

I don't often respond to net provocations, but plagiarism in any form I simply fucking can't abide. You didn't write this, Tito or Smokey; Maddox did. Copyright 2002. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

That's a really cheap thing to do, taking credit for another's words; why not cite the source and give credit where it's due? Also pretty stupid, considering the enormous popularity of Maddox over the last ten years. There are Maddox t-shirts, Maddox bumper stickers, Maddox has a comic book for chrissake. Last I heard, Maddox had a book deal in the works. It may be in stores even now, I'm not sure.

The thing is, Maddox got it wrong about that damn menu in the first place. The "guiltless" in Chili's "Guiltless Grill" DOES mean items that are lower in fat and calories. The items offered vary by location, but most all include meat dishes.

http://www.shapefit.com/chilis.html


I would ask you do you really think a restaurant specializing in hamburgers would so impugn the ethics of its primary clientèle, but then you didn't write this. Maddox did.

Or, perhaps it wasn't Chili's that he meant? Perhaps another restaurant took the "Guiltless Grill" name and claimed it for its own? Or vice-versa: Maybe Chili's was the lowly thief?

My sincere apologies if you did provide citation and I somehow missed it. If not-- for shame, dude. Really.

In other news, 11-30-80, from The Fox, is pretty amazing.

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Nov 28, 2007 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

Thats why i put "e-mail me for source" asshole

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Poster: blacklakelight Date: Nov 28, 2007 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)


No. You put that so you could provide the same sources cited in the original, as though you'd done the research yourself.

Here:
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TIME Magazine, July 15 2002, Pg. 56

Steven Davis, professor of animal science at Oregon State University (at least one study has shown that simply mowing an alfalfa field caused a 50% reduction in the gray-tailed vole population): full article

Least Harm Principle suggests that Humans should eat beef not vegan., first published in the Proceedings of Third Congress of the European Society for Agricultural and Food Ethics, 2001
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Besides, the citations in a piece have nothing to do with its authorship. Why should anyone have to email you to find out who actually wrote those exact words that you posted as though they were your own? Why should anyone have to email you for anything?

All you had to do was state the author, and you didn't. You've been caught now, and you're trying to weasel out with feeble excuses. That's pathetic. You can call me "asshole" and every other name that comes to mind, pinch my screen name and post all sorts of vile, dim-witted things under pretense, none of it is going to change how pathetic that is.


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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 27, 2007 3:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

so, you fly back to the Pats' games after hanging out in Santa Cruz? I guess that 14K from the prankcalls really is a lot of cash....

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Nov 27, 2007 3:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

i would say i transport buds back and forth,but Direwolf would probably call the cops.Yes i live on the East Coast,and yes,i live in the Bay Area.

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Nov 27, 2007 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

BLOJOB

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Poster: tank_tuba Date: Nov 27, 2007 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

In defense of Tito, I think he was talking about Santa Cruz, Connecticut.
Tito goes there for the Mr. Zoggs Sexwax convention. He finds that it provides the best stick for his stick.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Nov 27, 2007 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

hey, i listen to the Savage Nation also-ha-ha!
Don't agree with his take on budz and the GD though.
You seem to have a lot of anger-aye? You should'nt be so hard on yourself, you may miss a true blessing. Now howz 'bout a nice hetrohug, bud

cosmicharlie1@yahoo.com is my addy if you want to tell me what you really think. Now go do the right thing


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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 27, 2007 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

life's too short to give a fuck

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Poster: mr_loophead Date: Nov 27, 2007 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

You have too much time on your hands.

Here, stick this slim-jim up yer ass and get back to your cardboard friends.

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Poster: mr_loophead Date: Nov 27, 2007 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Letter to hippy vegetarians(non-Dead)

BOING!!!!!

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